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	<title>Comments on: Apple Has Fans &amp; Microsoft Has Shills</title>
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		<title>By: MichaelT</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/01/apple-has-fans-microsoft-has-shills/comment-page-1/#comment-5488</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Gilles.

It&#039;s still funny all these years later. :D</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s still funny all these years later. <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gilles</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/01/apple-has-fans-microsoft-has-shills/comment-page-1/#comment-5392</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Michael T. Microsoft&#039;s fake Ã¢â‚¬Å“Switch to WindowsÃ¢â‚¬Â ad backfires.

http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec102002.html</description>
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<p><a href="http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec102002.html" rel="nofollow">http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec102002.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kaleberg</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/01/apple-has-fans-microsoft-has-shills/comment-page-1/#comment-5373</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political types call seeding and subsidizing fake grass roots organizations &quot;astroturfing&quot;. It&#039;s a great term, though it&#039;s probably someone&#039;s trademark.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/01/apple-has-fans-microsoft-has-shills/comment-page-1/#comment-5371</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually had more PDF troubles on my Macs than on Windows, with fillable forms often not working well in the Mac version of Adobe Reader, not working at all in Preview, while working perfectly fine on the Windows version of Reader.  Now that I&#039;m using Adobe Professional, I&#039;ve had no PDF issues whatsoever on either platform (Adobe Professional 7 for Windows and 8 for Macintosh).</description>
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		<title>By: MichaelT</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/01/apple-has-fans-microsoft-has-shills/comment-page-1/#comment-5369</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Microsoft get busted doing something like that fake-enthusiat promotion before? I can&#039;t remember the details, but I thought they used bogus letters, or something like that, from supposedly unpaid folk, then it turned out the photos they used of the people were stock photos.

Anyone remember more about this?</description>
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<p>Anyone remember more about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/01/apple-has-fans-microsoft-has-shills/comment-page-1/#comment-5368</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there are some technical and/or feature-related reasons other than Ã¢â‚¬Å“its in front of youÃ¢â‚¬Â to use Windows&quot;

Perhaps in your business. I use XP at work and I do not see one feature or piece of software that makes up for the inherent problems associated with Windows. For goodness sake: simple stuff like PDF display is horribly implented on Windows.</description>
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<p>Perhaps in your business. I use XP at work and I do not see one feature or piece of software that makes up for the inherent problems associated with Windows. For goodness sake: simple stuff like PDF display is horribly implented on Windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/01/apple-has-fans-microsoft-has-shills/comment-page-1/#comment-5367</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Macs do tend to make fans out of many, there are some technical and/or feature-related reasons other than &quot;its in front of you&quot; to use Windows.  I run my own business, and while I have a Mac as my home computer, my office network is Windows, by choice, because the functions I wanted were easier and less expensive to implement on the Windows platform.  There is no paid IT guy, no free product and now desire to impress anyone, just picking the best tool for the job.  For many jobs the right rool is a Mac, for others its Windows.  For most jobs, I&#039;d say that it makes very little difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/ie.png' title='Internet Explorer 7.0' style='border:0px;' alt='Internet Explorer 7.0'/> <a href='http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/default.mspx' title='Internet Explorer 7.0' rel='nofollow'>Internet Explorer 7.0</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/win.png' title='Windows XP' style='border:0px;' alt='Windows XP'/> Windows XP<p>While Macs do tend to make fans out of many, there are some technical and/or feature-related reasons other than &#8220;its in front of you&#8221; to use Windows.  I run my own business, and while I have a Mac as my home computer, my office network is Windows, by choice, because the functions I wanted were easier and less expensive to implement on the Windows platform.  There is no paid IT guy, no free product and now desire to impress anyone, just picking the best tool for the job.  For many jobs the right rool is a Mac, for others its Windows.  For most jobs, I&#8217;d say that it makes very little difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To cfenger - - Thanks, I was unaware of that. Sometimes people can in fact evolve. My apologies to the current incarnation of Paul Thurrott. In his former incarnation it wasn&#039;t his criticism of Apple and the Mac community that ticked me. It was his uninformed ad hominem attacks that was so irksome. I wonder what promped him to change his tune somewhat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/firefox.png' title='Firefox 2.0.0.1' style='border:0px;' alt='Firefox 2.0.0.1'/> <a href='http://mozilla.org' title='Firefox 2.0.0.1' rel='nofollow'>Firefox 2.0.0.1</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>To cfenger &#8211; - Thanks, I was unaware of that. Sometimes people can in fact evolve. My apologies to the current incarnation of Paul Thurrott. In his former incarnation it wasn&#8217;t his criticism of Apple and the Mac community that ticked me. It was his uninformed ad hominem attacks that was so irksome. I wonder what promped him to change his tune somewhat?</p>
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		<title>By: cfenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm,

Thurrott has been, of late, exceedingly gracious about the Mac. Not sure why, but if it keeps up, you&#039;ll have to take him off the list of guys like Dvorak, Scoble, etc.

Read his latest post on Apple customer care: http://www.internet-nexus.com/2007/01/in-praise-of-apple-support.htm</description>
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<p>Thurrott has been, of late, exceedingly gracious about the Mac. Not sure why, but if it keeps up, you&#8217;ll have to take him off the list of guys like Dvorak, Scoble, etc.</p>
<p>Read his latest post on Apple customer care: <a href="http://www.internet-nexus.com/2007/01/in-praise-of-apple-support.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.internet-nexus.com/2007/01/in-praise-of-apple-support.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/01/apple-has-fans-microsoft-has-shills/comment-page-1/#comment-5364</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people DON&#039;T &quot;choose Windows&quot;. Paid IT guys choose it. The question is: paid by whom?</description>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, I do not doubt that there are folks who prefer Windows for logical and/or emotional reasons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is at least one &#039;big fan&#039; (i.e. shill) that is extent on the internet message boards.  His name is Paul Thurrott. Years ago he used to incessantly, and obnoxiously, troll the Mac message boards. He seems, for the most part, to have become tired of responding to the sea of true Mac aficionados who would ruthlessly debunk and expose him. Now he seems mostly content to muck about with his shabby anti-Mac/ pro Windows website.</description>
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<p>There is at least one &#8216;big fan&#8217; (i.e. shill) that is extent on the internet message boards.  His name is Paul Thurrott. Years ago he used to incessantly, and obnoxiously, troll the Mac message boards. He seems, for the most part, to have become tired of responding to the sea of true Mac aficionados who would ruthlessly debunk and expose him. Now he seems mostly content to muck about with his shabby anti-Mac/ pro Windows website.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Steinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;BTW I seem to remember that when Apple introduced the iPod at MW that all attendees got one. In retrospect a terrific way to quickly get them in the hands of reporters and enthusiasts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The iPod was introduced at a press briefing, and offering review units to the press is standard operating procedure. Of course, there&#039;s no assurance that the review will be favorable, of course.

Aside from the iPod and software, Apple maintains a rigorous watch on review product, and they expect you to return the unit, such as a new Mac, as agreed, usually within 30 days.

Peace,
Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/firefox.png' title='Firefox 2.0.0.1' style='border:0px;' alt='Firefox 2.0.0.1'/> <a href='http://mozilla.org' title='Firefox 2.0.0.1' rel='nofollow'>Firefox 2.0.0.1</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <blockquote><p>BTW I seem to remember that when Apple introduced the iPod at MW that all attendees got one. In retrospect a terrific way to quickly get them in the hands of reporters and enthusiasts.</p></blockquote>
<p>The iPod was introduced at a press briefing, and offering review units to the press is standard operating procedure. Of course, there&#8217;s no assurance that the review will be favorable, of course.</p>
<p>Aside from the iPod and software, Apple maintains a rigorous watch on review product, and they expect you to return the unit, such as a new Mac, as agreed, usually within 30 days.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viral marketing only seems to work when it&#039;s truly viral. i can&#039;t think of any product that tried to use this technique that succeeded.

MS isn&#039;t the only company that doesn&#039;t get this.

where to I sign up to extoll the priaises of &quot;The next bib thing?&quot;

My vote&#039;s for sale. make me an offer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 419.3' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 419.3'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 419.3' rel='nofollow'>Safari 419.3</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>Viral marketing only seems to work when it&#8217;s truly viral. i can&#8217;t think of any product that tried to use this technique that succeeded.</p>
<p>MS isn&#8217;t the only company that doesn&#8217;t get this.</p>
<p>where to I sign up to extoll the priaises of &#8220;The next bib thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>My vote&#8217;s for sale. make me an offer</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember that when Apple introduced the iPod at MW that all attendees got one. In retrospect a terrific way to quickly get them in the hands of  reporters and enthusiasts.</description>
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