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	<title>Comments on: Newsletter #422 Preview: Are Chronic Leopard Bugs Getting a Fair Hearing?</title>
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		<title>By: kevin wilkins</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/12/newsletter-422-preview-are-chronic-leopard-bugs-getting-a-fair-hearing/comment-page-1/#comment-8817</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin wilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry forgot to mention that i am experiencing the systemlogd bug within terminal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/firefox.png' title='Firefox 2.0.0.11' style='border:0px;' alt='Firefox 2.0.0.11'/> <a href='http://mozilla.org' title='Firefox 2.0.0.11' rel='nofollow'>Firefox 2.0.0.11</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>sorry forgot to mention that i am experiencing the systemlogd bug within terminal</p>
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		<title>By: kevin wilkins</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/12/newsletter-422-preview-are-chronic-leopard-bugs-getting-a-fair-hearing/comment-page-1/#comment-8816</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin wilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this bug is bugging me at the moment, programming a java app, outside of the xcode development package since im after a cross platform solution which i am in complete control with.

to check functionality i use the system.out.print (writes a line to the console) on every required event and this makes my mac suffer almost 100% processor usage for a short while

lets just hope its fixed, as im rather proud of my program and so far have it working correctly on window, linux and mac. just as any java app should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/firefox.png' title='Firefox 2.0.0.11' style='border:0px;' alt='Firefox 2.0.0.11'/> <a href='http://mozilla.org' title='Firefox 2.0.0.11' rel='nofollow'>Firefox 2.0.0.11</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>this bug is bugging me at the moment, programming a java app, outside of the xcode development package since im after a cross platform solution which i am in complete control with.</p>
<p>to check functionality i use the system.out.print (writes a line to the console) on every required event and this makes my mac suffer almost 100% processor usage for a short while</p>
<p>lets just hope its fixed, as im rather proud of my program and so far have it working correctly on window, linux and mac. just as any java app should.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Sutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to the list, for an acknowledged Leopard bug involving iDisk synching, see this Knowledge Base notice: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306904</description>
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		<title>By: Ilgaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilgaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;third party&quot; could be always a huge issue but I am running completely clean (erase and install) Leopard here and just figured something going on from Fans, when I saw the activity monitor, I couldn&#039;t believe my eyes.

bash process inside Terminal.app (yes, stock Terminal) flooded 1 gigabyte of real memory.

When you see something like that you really feel awfully stupid to upgrade to Leopard even with clean install hassle. When you see Mac users STILL blaming APE etc. while it is not existent and openly calls your Quad G5 workstation as something &quot;outdated&quot; without a clue, you go nuts.

I am still living this torture just to report issues and I haven&#039;t heard from Apple any sign of life. I think they got &quot;mad&quot; at me because of reporting bugs in a polite, just like their guidelines manner?

To wrap my issues:
1) systemlogd goes nuts if anything (including Apple coded apps) bugs console too much (console.log doesn&#039;t exist too)
2) OpenGL performance is 30% slower than Tiger 10.4.11 on very same hardware, same card
3) Apple&#039;s own core applications are raising some error messages that can be only explained by quick and dirty coding.
4) While booting, you see awfully alerting messages like &quot;Dec 31 17:01:52 localhost kernel[0]: Extension &quot;com.apple.driver.AppleSMU&quot; has immediate dependencies on both com.apple.kernel and com.apple.kpi components; use only one style.&quot;

All of these are reported using the guidelines at bugreporter.apple.com , as a person who gets developer feedback in 10 minutes about a $35 shareware application, I haven&#039;t heard anything.

I have also figured for some reason, while I never visit there, discussions.apple.com BANNED my IP.

As a person who purchased a top end workstation, iWork 08, iLife 08, Leopard family packs, this is the treatment I get.

So, Mac fans may spare me from blaming for OS X errors I live and enjoy their good functioning Leopard. Leopard also works perfect here, on a G4 Mini and PowerBook G4. It DOESN&#039;T work fine on my main work machine, Quad G5. This is a rushed OS and we can only thank those OS trolls for it. If Apple postponed it just 1-2 months for extra tests, nobody would have to live this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 523.10.6' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 523.10.6'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 523.10.6' rel='nofollow'>Safari 523.10.6</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>The &#8220;third party&#8221; could be always a huge issue but I am running completely clean (erase and install) Leopard here and just figured something going on from Fans, when I saw the activity monitor, I couldn&#8217;t believe my eyes.</p>
<p>bash process inside Terminal.app (yes, stock Terminal) flooded 1 gigabyte of real memory.</p>
<p>When you see something like that you really feel awfully stupid to upgrade to Leopard even with clean install hassle. When you see Mac users STILL blaming APE etc. while it is not existent and openly calls your Quad G5 workstation as something &#8220;outdated&#8221; without a clue, you go nuts.</p>
<p>I am still living this torture just to report issues and I haven&#8217;t heard from Apple any sign of life. I think they got &#8220;mad&#8221; at me because of reporting bugs in a polite, just like their guidelines manner?</p>
<p>To wrap my issues:<br />
1) systemlogd goes nuts if anything (including Apple coded apps) bugs console too much (console.log doesn&#8217;t exist too)<br />
2) OpenGL performance is 30% slower than Tiger 10.4.11 on very same hardware, same card<br />
3) Apple&#8217;s own core applications are raising some error messages that can be only explained by quick and dirty coding.<br />
4) While booting, you see awfully alerting messages like &#8220;Dec 31 17:01:52 localhost kernel[0]: Extension &#8220;com.apple.driver.AppleSMU&#8221; has immediate dependencies on both com.apple.kernel and com.apple.kpi components; use only one style.&#8221;</p>
<p>All of these are reported using the guidelines at bugreporter.apple.com , as a person who gets developer feedback in 10 minutes about a $35 shareware application, I haven&#8217;t heard anything.</p>
<p>I have also figured for some reason, while I never visit there, discussions.apple.com BANNED my IP.</p>
<p>As a person who purchased a top end workstation, iWork 08, iLife 08, Leopard family packs, this is the treatment I get.</p>
<p>So, Mac fans may spare me from blaming for OS X errors I live and enjoy their good functioning Leopard. Leopard also works perfect here, on a G4 Mini and PowerBook G4. It DOESN&#8217;T work fine on my main work machine, Quad G5. This is a rushed OS and we can only thank those OS trolls for it. If Apple postponed it just 1-2 months for extra tests, nobody would have to live this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Sutton</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2007/12/newsletter-422-preview-are-chronic-leopard-bugs-getting-a-fair-hearing/comment-page-1/#comment-8717</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I can mention a couple of outstanding Leopard bugs, at least if you include the suite of applications that come as part of the package). One is that before the release of the 10.5.1 upgrade I had experienced at most a couple of Safari crashes. Since installing the upgrade I experience several crashes every day, at least for me it has lost its usual rock-solid stability. Another is that the reason why Time Machine&#039;s ability to back up to a networked server is currently disabled -- there are a couple of freeware utilities that switch it back on, use them at your own risk -- seems to be a reported bug that destroys all your saved data when your backup medium gets filled up. So, yes, there seem to be a few rough edges. Let&#039;s hope that 10.5.2 addresses them. One thing we can all do to help is that when something goes wrong a crash report page comes up, we should take the time to submit them to Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 523.10.6' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 523.10.6'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 523.10.6' rel='nofollow'>Safari 523.10.6</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>Well, I can mention a couple of outstanding Leopard bugs, at least if you include the suite of applications that come as part of the package). One is that before the release of the 10.5.1 upgrade I had experienced at most a couple of Safari crashes. Since installing the upgrade I experience several crashes every day, at least for me it has lost its usual rock-solid stability. Another is that the reason why Time Machine&#8217;s ability to back up to a networked server is currently disabled &#8212; there are a couple of freeware utilities that switch it back on, use them at your own risk &#8212; seems to be a reported bug that destroys all your saved data when your backup medium gets filled up. So, yes, there seem to be a few rough edges. Let&#8217;s hope that 10.5.2 addresses them. One thing we can all do to help is that when something goes wrong a crash report page comes up, we should take the time to submit them to Apple.</p>
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