Hmm, badmouthing the Finder, I can’t resist

I like QuickLook a lot, it’s the best thing about Leopard as far as I’m concerned, but truth be told: the Finder still isn’t ‘fixed’ and arguably is more ‘unfixed’ than it ever was before. To give just one example: in list view new folders are always created at the top level of the viewed hierarchy, even when you have selected a nested folder. This is so obviously not ‘the right thing’ to do. Many other usability problems have also remained unsolved — again — this time around, and as time goes by it becomes clear that there is no desire at Apple to try. This seems to be ‘it’, as far as Apple is concerned.

The strange thing about Leopard to me is that navigating and interacting with the operating system has become more difficult compared to Tiger. The Finder added CoverFlow (fluff) and retained most of its bad habits, the Dock became uglier and killed folder navigation, the Spotlight menu can’t find useful things such as preference files or crash logs anymore (these are useful features for anyone developing or supporting software…).

The Finder is a very blunt tool, especially in the hands of power users. Its behavior is unpredictable (how and where will a new ‘browser’ appear now?) and offers almost no useful options for configuration (why not let me set the preferred column width and column order for windows — or indeed let me pick which columns/properties I want to see). This is an important area where Mac OS X strangely lags behind its competitors.

The Finder is in many ways the software equivalent of the one button mouse (also not fixed…).

It seems to me that few people who dislike the spatial finder are graphic artists. Dragging files between open windows is really the easiest way to do the kind of things an artist needs to do. If you crank up the icon size in a window you get pretty viewable image previews and can grab things you need without having to rely on filenames that may have been created to suit the database (p115-2341-xyy.jpg) instead of the artist.

I think some programmers (web, system, and applications) sometime forget that not everyone uses their computer for programming.

The argument between the last three contributors is instructive. The lesson to be learned is that it’s impossible for any given “one size fits all” scheme can keep everybody equally happy. These guys obviously use their Macs differently (no great surprise there). I must say I personally do like the spatial model, simply because it helps me visualize and remember the structure of my folders and files (which, no doubt, is exactly why the HFS structure was invented in the first place) Yes, digging down a bunch of levels is a bit of a chore, but if I find I’m doing this repeatedly to get to the same location I use aliases to bail myself out. But if somebody thinks he can live without the spatial metaphor, surely some Finder options could be created to accommodate him. What is a bad idea is to force a single-scheme straightjacket on everybody. Apple’s design team should take note.

By the way, this idea of introducing flexibility certainly should apply to Stacks: Apple needs to give us a way to switch the darned thing off.

Maybe Apple should just go all the way and include a global spatial Finder setting in the preferences dialog, so you get it all, if that’s what you want — no exceptions.

Does anyone vote for the phrase: “schizophrenic Finder”?

Peace,
Gene

The argument between the last three contributors is instructive. The lesson to be learned is that it’s impossible for any given “one size fits all” scheme can keep everybody equally happy. These guys obviously use their Macs differently (no great surprise there). I must say I personally do like the spatial model, simply because it helps me visualize and remember the structure of my folders and files (which, no doubt, is exactly why the HFS structure was invented in the first place) Yes, digging down a bunch of levels is a bit of a chore, but if I find I’m doing this repeatedly to get to the same location I use aliases to bail myself out. But if somebody thinks he can live without the spatial metaphor, surely some Finder options could be created to accommodate him. What is a bad idea is to force a single-scheme straightjacket on everybody. Apple’s design team should take note.

By the way, this idea of introducing flexibility certainly should apply to Stacks: Apple needs to give us a way to switch the darned thing off.

Scott- You said:
“…I’ve used OS X since before the public beta, and have never ONCE used the “New Finder Window” command, or simultaneously opened two views of the same set of files…”

Well, I sure have. Next time you want to move assorted files into a folder that happens to be located ‘way down’ the list, out of a window’s present view, sure you can drag the file(s) down and scroll until the desired target comes into view, then drop. But this gets old, especially if you do it repeatedly to the same target.
A better (IMO) way is to open a new finder window, scroll until the ‘target’ is visible in that window, then drag the desired items from the ‘original’ window into the ‘new’ window.

I hope that made sense… It’s much easier to do it than to explain it.

While I certainly agree that schizophrenia is on of the Finders major problems, the abandonment of the spatial file manager is the most preposterous solution I’ve heard yet. I’ve used OS X since before the public beta, and have never ONCE used the “New Finder Window” command, or simultaneously opened two views of the same set of files. Do most people have the habit of looking at everyday objects through a series of mirrors? It’s the spatial nature of the Finder that allows new (and many experienced) users to comprehend what’s going on in their computers.

No, the solution is to divide the two types of views, precisely as Windows has done. This allows both groups of users to enjoy an optimized UI.

“The arguments were all over the place, using such obtuse references as ’spatial.’”

I think the ideology of a “spatial file manager” is the oddest most retrograde idea around in file management. Apple’s attempting to cater for people who have this notion has a number of undesirable consequence, one of which is the dreaded .DS_Store files. And Apple *still* provides no way to turn off the production of these on the primary volume. At least it’s no longer necessary to litter network shares with them any more, but it would be nice to be able to shut them off entirely and not have to worry about having to remove them from zip archives and the like, so as not to send useless junk to people on other platforms.

It can also leads to undesired changes in the file manager’s view options, including the very size and shape of its window, sticking because of these files. I guess these viewing modifications come in with disk images from third-parties or something. I suppose this wouldn’t happen if one always opened every directory in a separate window. But who — apart from “spatial” advocates — is crazy enough (or has the time) to do that?

In a thread about Dolphin, KDE’s new file manager, someone complains about that doing something similar. He says: “What I don’t like about dolphin is that damn “.dolphinview” in every folder I view with it.” Later in the thread the poster is reassured:

“Aaron J. Seigo has fixed this, so like in Konqueror the standard .directory file is used instead. Additionally it is configurable whether Dolphin should remember the view properties at all; this means no .directory files if this feature is turned off”

As simple as that. But Apple, by contrast, provide no means to turn off their equivalent.