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		<title>By: Ã–rgÃ¼ Modelleri</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/03/safari-31-not-quite-the-ultimate-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-12348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ã–rgÃ¼ Modelleri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ilgaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilgaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First, Firefox 3â€™s scrolling compared to Safari can be very slow. Second, Firefox 3â€™s printing often only prints what you see on screen as opposed to the whole section. Third, Firefox 3â€™s PDF support doesnâ€™t seem to allow you to easily view PDFs in the browser&quot;

These are all related to the fact that Firefox still runs &quot;on an island&quot; at the ocean of OS X. Industries best/only PDF support (at core OS level) is ignored, industries fastest 2d acceleration ignored, industries best printing which makes a cheap inkjet like a actual postscript printer is ignored.

Opera 9.26, not even 9.5 beta is a better behaving OS X application than Firefox thanks to the framework it is based on (Trolltech Qt).

What bothered me about Firefox is their reason not to support colorsync while Apple was there to support. &quot;We don&#039;t think it is needed.&quot; After years, they finally figured they aren&#039;t coding a program only for themselves and added it. Now another year or more must pass to use native text rendering and printing (which are both related to your issue) of OS X.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.13' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.13'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.13' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.13</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>&#8220;First, Firefox 3â€™s scrolling compared to Safari can be very slow. Second, Firefox 3â€™s printing often only prints what you see on screen as opposed to the whole section. Third, Firefox 3â€™s PDF support doesnâ€™t seem to allow you to easily view PDFs in the browser&#8221;</p>
<p>These are all related to the fact that Firefox still runs &#8220;on an island&#8221; at the ocean of OS X. Industries best/only PDF support (at core OS level) is ignored, industries fastest 2d acceleration ignored, industries best printing which makes a cheap inkjet like a actual postscript printer is ignored.</p>
<p>Opera 9.26, not even 9.5 beta is a better behaving OS X application than Firefox thanks to the framework it is based on (Trolltech Qt).</p>
<p>What bothered me about Firefox is their reason not to support colorsync while Apple was there to support. &#8220;We don&#8217;t think it is needed.&#8221; After years, they finally figured they aren&#8217;t coding a program only for themselves and added it. Now another year or more must pass to use native text rendering and printing (which are both related to your issue) of OS X.</p>
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		<title>By: javaholic</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/03/safari-31-not-quite-the-ultimate-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-9323</link>
		<dc:creator>javaholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worldâ€™s fastest browser? Well, so far I&#039;m not really seeing anything spectacular with Safari 3.1. I mean, it seems fine, but I&#039;m on a Macbook Pro using Camino 1.5.5 and Iâ€™m finding some things, like scrolling with arrow keys, the speed of rendering on comparable sites and particularly opening tab collections, faster with Camino.  But maybe I&#039;m just a little jaded.  :)</description>
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		<title>By: Terrin</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/03/safari-31-not-quite-the-ultimate-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-9320</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know why Apple would consider the Beta Version of Firefox 3. It isn&#039;t a released product. With that said, I have been using Firefox 3 (Beta 4) over Safari. Three things, however, make me miss Safari. First, Firefox 3&#039;s scrolling compared to Safari can be very slow. Second, Firefox 3&#039;s printing often only prints what you see on screen as opposed to the whole section. Third, Firefox 3&#039;s PDF support doesn&#039;t seem to allow you to easily view PDFs in the browser. There are plugins, but I can&#039;t get them to work. Safari handles all those things very well.


On the other hand, Safari&#039;s keychain support is very unreliable. So much so, that I am willing to forgive some of Firefox3 &#039;s other shortcomings. I have to sign onto a lot of websites where Firefox 3 immediately asks me if I want to remember the password and username. Often Safari doesn&#039;t. Even when it does, it sometimes doesn&#039;t&#039; actually remember them. 

I think Apple has to be diligent in revising Safari because Firefox 3 is a really good browser. By the way, I hated Firefox 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.13' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.13'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.13' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.13</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>I do not know why Apple would consider the Beta Version of Firefox 3. It isn&#8217;t a released product. With that said, I have been using Firefox 3 (Beta 4) over Safari. Three things, however, make me miss Safari. First, Firefox 3&#8217;s scrolling compared to Safari can be very slow. Second, Firefox 3&#8217;s printing often only prints what you see on screen as opposed to the whole section. Third, Firefox 3&#8217;s PDF support doesn&#8217;t seem to allow you to easily view PDFs in the browser. There are plugins, but I can&#8217;t get them to work. Safari handles all those things very well.</p>
<p>On the other hand, Safari&#8217;s keychain support is very unreliable. So much so, that I am willing to forgive some of Firefox3 &#8217;s other shortcomings. I have to sign onto a lot of websites where Firefox 3 immediately asks me if I want to remember the password and username. Often Safari doesn&#8217;t. Even when it does, it sometimes doesn&#8217;t&#8217; actually remember them. </p>
<p>I think Apple has to be diligent in revising Safari because Firefox 3 is a really good browser. By the way, I hated Firefox 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal MacQuarrie</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/03/safari-31-not-quite-the-ultimate-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-9317</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal MacQuarrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this review on the blocking.  I use this feature in firefox a good amount.   One other thing I&#039;d like to see in Safari is the ability to have live bookmards like firefox.  I find the Safari inplementaion of RSS feeds to be cumbersome.  Much easier to just click on bookmarks and quickly glance the headlines for something of interest.  Until this changes Firefox will continue to be my browser of choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/firefox.png' title='Firefox 2.0.0.12' style='border:0px;' alt='Firefox 2.0.0.12'/> <a href='http://mozilla.org' title='Firefox 2.0.0.12' rel='nofollow'>Firefox 2.0.0.12</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/win.png' title='Windows XP' style='border:0px;' alt='Windows XP'/> Windows XP<p>I agree with this review on the blocking.  I use this feature in firefox a good amount.   One other thing I&#8217;d like to see in Safari is the ability to have live bookmards like firefox.  I find the Safari inplementaion of RSS feeds to be cumbersome.  Much easier to just click on bookmarks and quickly glance the headlines for something of interest.  Until this changes Firefox will continue to be my browser of choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Steinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is the fault of Federal Express. But you can&#039;t change all the sites that have problems of this sort. That&#039;s why selective pop-up blocking is useful.

While I agree with you about phishing, in part, it&#039;s not stupidity that results in people being taken in. Not everyone is as Internet-savvy as you -- and me. :D

Peace,
Gene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.13' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.13'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.13' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.13</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>Maybe it is the fault of Federal Express. But you can&#8217;t change all the sites that have problems of this sort. That&#8217;s why selective pop-up blocking is useful.</p>
<p>While I agree with you about phishing, in part, it&#8217;s not stupidity that results in people being taken in. Not everyone is as Internet-savvy as you &#8212; and me. <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to comment on the 2 &quot;missing features&quot;. First off, the problem is FedEx, not Safari. As a web designer I have plenty of websites that use pop-up windows and Safari has NEVER blocked any of them. Safari seems to know the difference between a user initiated pop-up and a malicious ad. Apparently the FedEx web designers don&#039;t know what they are doing. Second, phishing?!! C&#039;mon now, if you own a computer and manage any type of financial business online, you should know better than to click on links from emails! This is a problem of ignorance and stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.13' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.13'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.13' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.13</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>Just want to comment on the 2 &#8220;missing features&#8221;. First off, the problem is FedEx, not Safari. As a web designer I have plenty of websites that use pop-up windows and Safari has NEVER blocked any of them. Safari seems to know the difference between a user initiated pop-up and a malicious ad. Apparently the FedEx web designers don&#8217;t know what they are doing. Second, phishing?!! C&#8217;mon now, if you own a computer and manage any type of financial business online, you should know better than to click on links from emails! This is a problem of ignorance and stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Carolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Carolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Safari interface, and yes, the new release does appear to be even faster than its predecessor. The only reason that it hasnt taken the spot of my primary browser (currently Firefox 2) is the few limitations and incompatibilities with a minority of sites. that said, it still provides a far better browsing experience than IE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/firefox.png' title='Firefox 2.0.0.12' style='border:0px;' alt='Firefox 2.0.0.12'/> <a href='http://mozilla.org' title='Firefox 2.0.0.12' rel='nofollow'>Firefox 2.0.0.12</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/win.png' title='Windows XP' style='border:0px;' alt='Windows XP'/> Windows XP<p>I like the Safari interface, and yes, the new release does appear to be even faster than its predecessor. The only reason that it hasnt taken the spot of my primary browser (currently Firefox 2) is the few limitations and incompatibilities with a minority of sites. that said, it still provides a far better browsing experience than IE.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Sutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several comments: 1.) the speed with which a page comes up in any given browser is dependent on other factors (such as the speed of the server you are addressing and that of your ISP service) so it&#039;s difficult or more like impossible to assess the speed of your browser in a real-life situation; 2.) the other day, in connection with Gene&#039;s piece on Firefox, I wrote about how Safari (together with other WebKit-based browsers like OmniWeb) is the only one that displays text with full accuracy, especially when Unicode is involved. Presumably is because Safari and its WebKit friends are the only ones that adhere to standards with absolute fidelity (more accurately, they do so when Web site designers adhere to these standards with equal fidelity, plenty don&#039;t).  3.) I also use Safari as my primary browser, but it&#039;s impossible for me to use it as my only one, for a variety of reasons having to do with sites that aren&#039;t Safari-friendly. For example, for downloading PDF files from certain sites I have to use Firefox. This is probably the experience of many Mac users, and I bet it&#039;s s. o. p. to have two or more in our Application folders.  We still haven&#039;t arrived at the point where a user can rely on Safari or any other single one for all purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.13' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.13'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.13' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.13</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>Several comments: 1.) the speed with which a page comes up in any given browser is dependent on other factors (such as the speed of the server you are addressing and that of your ISP service) so it&#8217;s difficult or more like impossible to assess the speed of your browser in a real-life situation; 2.) the other day, in connection with Gene&#8217;s piece on Firefox, I wrote about how Safari (together with other WebKit-based browsers like OmniWeb) is the only one that displays text with full accuracy, especially when Unicode is involved. Presumably is because Safari and its WebKit friends are the only ones that adhere to standards with absolute fidelity (more accurately, they do so when Web site designers adhere to these standards with equal fidelity, plenty don&#8217;t).  3.) I also use Safari as my primary browser, but it&#8217;s impossible for me to use it as my only one, for a variety of reasons having to do with sites that aren&#8217;t Safari-friendly. For example, for downloading PDF files from certain sites I have to use Firefox. This is probably the experience of many Mac users, and I bet it&#8217;s s. o. p. to have two or more in our Application folders.  We still haven&#8217;t arrived at the point where a user can rely on Safari or any other single one for all purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far so good, both on Mac and Windows.  Safari 3 was already my primary browser on both platforms, and with very few exceptions I use it for all of my browsing.

Those exceptions are exactly what Gene hit on, pop-up dependant sites like FedEX, which I use often, and a few other sites where I want my passwords remembered that always seem to work in FireFox but forget my stored password in Safari.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.13' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.13'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.13' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.13</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>So far so good, both on Mac and Windows.  Safari 3 was already my primary browser on both platforms, and with very few exceptions I use it for all of my browsing.</p>
<p>Those exceptions are exactly what Gene hit on, pop-up dependant sites like FedEX, which I use often, and a few other sites where I want my passwords remembered that always seem to work in FireFox but forget my stored password in Safari.</p>
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