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	<title>Comments on: So Where&#8217;s the Major Product Transition, Apple?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/10/so-wheres-the-major-product-transition-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-12925</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is just one product that I believe could truly shake up the current product line. A redesigned Mac Mini that is able to accept a full sized graphics card. With an integrated NVIDIA graphics chip but an included expansion slot capable of accepting a full sized graphics card or expansion card of choice. This product would surely fill a missing gap in the Mac lineup and provide what many in the Windows world are looking for.
What could such a machine be used for? 
Perhaps a business computer replacement that is simple inexpensive small and clean with an expansion card slot if needed capable of running any operating system of choice.
A home entertainment extension for itunes music, video, web browsing, pictures, and if you want hardcore gaming by just purchasing and installing your own graphics card of choice. Perhaps video card creators might now consider it lucrative to port some of there products to a high volume and upgradeable devise and will in turn lead the way for game companies as well.
Now if you visualize such a Mac it may look very much like an elongated Mac Mini or a brick.
If such a Mac existed I think it may help sell some of those new 24&quot; monitors with the integrated power usb and graphics cables and camera.
Such a product would surly cut into iMac sales and may even shave a hair from the Mac Pro numbers.
But in turn it would also most definitely cut into Dell and HP business machines along with some gaming pc&#039;s
and maybe even a gaming console or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.20.1' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.20.1'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.20.1' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.20.1</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>There is just one product that I believe could truly shake up the current product line. A redesigned Mac Mini that is able to accept a full sized graphics card. With an integrated NVIDIA graphics chip but an included expansion slot capable of accepting a full sized graphics card or expansion card of choice. This product would surely fill a missing gap in the Mac lineup and provide what many in the Windows world are looking for.<br />
What could such a machine be used for?<br />
Perhaps a business computer replacement that is simple inexpensive small and clean with an expansion card slot if needed capable of running any operating system of choice.<br />
A home entertainment extension for itunes music, video, web browsing, pictures, and if you want hardcore gaming by just purchasing and installing your own graphics card of choice. Perhaps video card creators might now consider it lucrative to port some of there products to a high volume and upgradeable devise and will in turn lead the way for game companies as well.<br />
Now if you visualize such a Mac it may look very much like an elongated Mac Mini or a brick.<br />
If such a Mac existed I think it may help sell some of those new 24&#8243; monitors with the integrated power usb and graphics cables and camera.<br />
Such a product would surly cut into iMac sales and may even shave a hair from the Mac Pro numbers.<br />
But in turn it would also most definitely cut into Dell and HP business machines along with some gaming pc&#8217;s<br />
and maybe even a gaming console or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/10/so-wheres-the-major-product-transition-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-12922</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean:

No, you misstate the premise. 

The marginal cost of the OS for an additional sale is essentially zero. There is revenue attributed to the sale which can be used to amortize the actual cost of developing the OS. Therefore actual margins are different because the cost of goods sold is different. 

The analysts have discussed the additional market segment which Apple would likely attract if there were an $800 laptop to offer to people who have $800 to spend.

The new &quot;billet&quot; aluminum chassis is an example of unnecessary cost without corresponding benefit, in my view.</description>
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<p>No, you misstate the premise. </p>
<p>The marginal cost of the OS for an additional sale is essentially zero. There is revenue attributed to the sale which can be used to amortize the actual cost of developing the OS. Therefore actual margins are different because the cost of goods sold is different. </p>
<p>The analysts have discussed the additional market segment which Apple would likely attract if there were an $800 laptop to offer to people who have $800 to spend.</p>
<p>The new &#8220;billet&#8221; aluminum chassis is an example of unnecessary cost without corresponding benefit, in my view.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/10/so-wheres-the-major-product-transition-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-12921</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Richard&lt;/b&gt;:

If your premise was correct, then Dell would have a net income to revenue ratio more similar to Apple&#039;s. If the cost of the OS is reduced to 0 by high volume, low margin sales then why is Apple with $30.8 billion in revenue, on 9.5% U.S. market share making $4.6 billion in net income (14.93%), while Dell with $64.15 billion in revenue, and 29.5% U.S. market share makes only $2.85 billion in net income (4.45%). The only real beneficiary of the high volume, low margin approach taken by Dell et al. is Microsoft, $60.42 billion in revenue, $17.68 billion net income (29.26%). Microsoft pushes its &#039;partners&#039; into the low end of the price spectrum precisely because the Dell, HP etc. brand names mean nothing to Microsoft, but each unit shipped by these manufacturers is a license fee in Microsoft&#039;s pocket. The damage done to HP and Dell by selling substandard, low cost, poor quality merchandise at little or no profit is of no lasting concern to Microsoft. After Compaq is Packard Bell, after Packard Bell is Gateway, after Gateway is E-Machines, after E-Machines is Acer, after Acer is the next company seeking effortless orders, underselling PC &#039;brand names&#039; until they price even themselves out of the market.</description>
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<p>If your premise was correct, then Dell would have a net income to revenue ratio more similar to Apple&#8217;s. If the cost of the OS is reduced to 0 by high volume, low margin sales then why is Apple with $30.8 billion in revenue, on 9.5% U.S. market share making $4.6 billion in net income (14.93%), while Dell with $64.15 billion in revenue, and 29.5% U.S. market share makes only $2.85 billion in net income (4.45%). The only real beneficiary of the high volume, low margin approach taken by Dell et al. is Microsoft, $60.42 billion in revenue, $17.68 billion net income (29.26%). Microsoft pushes its &#8216;partners&#8217; into the low end of the price spectrum precisely because the Dell, HP etc. brand names mean nothing to Microsoft, but each unit shipped by these manufacturers is a license fee in Microsoft&#8217;s pocket. The damage done to HP and Dell by selling substandard, low cost, poor quality merchandise at little or no profit is of no lasting concern to Microsoft. After Compaq is Packard Bell, after Packard Bell is Gateway, after Gateway is E-Machines, after E-Machines is Acer, after Acer is the next company seeking effortless orders, underselling PC &#8216;brand names&#8217; until they price even themselves out of the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Steinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/10/so-wheres-the-major-product-transition-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-12920</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize, but it&#039;s not something I choose to dwell over. It&#039;s a matter of being courteous despite the fact that they don&#039;t deserve it.

Peace,
Gene</description>
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<p>Peace,<br />
Gene</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Bartholomaus</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/10/so-wheres-the-major-product-transition-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-12919</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Bartholomaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene, if you are worried about giving sites hits that you don&#039;t want to then you could always add the &quot;no follow&quot; tag to the link.

For more information on this go to http://skeptools.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/not-just-for-spam-anymore-nofollow-for-skepticism/

-Derek</description>
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<p>For more information on this go to <a href="http://skeptools.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/not-just-for-spam-anymore-nofollow-for-skepticism/" rel="nofollow">http://skeptools.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/not-just-for-spam-anymore-nofollow-for-skepticism/</a></p>
<p>-Derek</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting for something to resemble a major product transition. The new MacBooks arrived at slightly higher prices than the models they replaced and will end up costing Apple less in the long run because the cases won&#039;t discolor or crack and need replacing under warranty. It must be costing Apple a small fortune in parts and labor to deal with plastic MacBooks.

While I agree the $2799 Mac Pro is certainly a strange comparison given that Dell charges more, there is some legitimacy to comparisons made to the $2399 Mac Pro. If you swap Xeon for Q9xxx series processors and DDR2 FB-DIMMs for more common DDR3 PC3-10660 or PC3-12800 it&#039;s possible to build a PC for around $1400 that&#039;ll equal the quad core Mac in almost any test. Apple works hard to avoid such comparisons by pointing out that the machines aren&#039;t &quot;equivalent&quot; and you, Gene, regularly support that position, but if the same amount of computational work can be accomplished in the same amount of time then it&#039;s a fair comparison. Apple could build towers using mainstream parts but they won&#039;t because 35% profit on $2400 is a lot more than 35% profit on $1600 and they aren&#039;t capable of attracting enough new buyers to make up the difference.

I don&#039;t even need that much power myself, a $1200 mainstream quad core Mac tower (the kind Acer sells for $1099 with a 20&quot; LCD) would suit me. I demand the ability to swap my internal HD whenever I feel like it without having to dismantle the entire machine and refuse to contribute to global waste by buying a machine with an integrated display. An LCD display should last 3 computers not just one and LCD manufacture produces some of the most harmful greenhouse gases known to man.</description>
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<p>While I agree the $2799 Mac Pro is certainly a strange comparison given that Dell charges more, there is some legitimacy to comparisons made to the $2399 Mac Pro. If you swap Xeon for Q9xxx series processors and DDR2 FB-DIMMs for more common DDR3 PC3-10660 or PC3-12800 it&#8217;s possible to build a PC for around $1400 that&#8217;ll equal the quad core Mac in almost any test. Apple works hard to avoid such comparisons by pointing out that the machines aren&#8217;t &#8220;equivalent&#8221; and you, Gene, regularly support that position, but if the same amount of computational work can be accomplished in the same amount of time then it&#8217;s a fair comparison. Apple could build towers using mainstream parts but they won&#8217;t because 35% profit on $2400 is a lot more than 35% profit on $1600 and they aren&#8217;t capable of attracting enough new buyers to make up the difference.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even need that much power myself, a $1200 mainstream quad core Mac tower (the kind Acer sells for $1099 with a 20&#8243; LCD) would suit me. I demand the ability to swap my internal HD whenever I feel like it without having to dismantle the entire machine and refuse to contribute to global waste by buying a machine with an integrated display. An LCD display should last 3 computers not just one and LCD manufacture produces some of the most harmful greenhouse gases known to man.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/10/so-wheres-the-major-product-transition-apple/comment-page-1/#comment-12917</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to wonder about the wisdom of the new aluminum chassis manufacturing process. Apart from all the expensive machinery used to manufacture it, there is a great deal of waste material (to recycle).

The camera industry has used investment cast magnesium alloy frames for camera bodies for many years. (Take a look at Nikon&#039;s D3 or D700 product descriptions for an example...and Nikon is a pretty conservative company.) Investment (&quot;lost wax&quot;) casting is commonly used to manufacture everything from titanium golf clubs to jet engine turbine blades which require great precision and consistency. There is a state-of-the-art centrifugal casting facility in Arizona which produces many such things that has been in business for some years (and would not have required building a new plant).

It makes one wonder why Apple have chosen the clearly more expensive technology which, to my thinking, offers no benefit over a more reasoned manufacturing process. There is simply no benefit to a &quot;billet&quot; chassis that I can see.

It also makes one wonder what other mistakes Apple have up their sleeve that will reduce margins.

As a number of analysts have observed, Apple have yet to make an entry into the laptop price segment which contains the majority of laptop sales. The beauty of increasing sales volume which Apple have consistently ignored is that the actual cost of the OS per unit is essentially nothing and the revenues gained from each sale work to reduce the per unit development cost of the OS and various supplied applications, quite apart from getting more product with the company name into the market where it can, potentially, influence other purchase decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/mozilla.png' title='Mozilla Compatible 5.0' style='border:0px;' alt='Mozilla Compatible 5.0'/> <a href='http://mozilla.org' title='Mozilla Compatible 5.0' rel='nofollow'>Mozilla Compatible 5.0</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>You have to wonder about the wisdom of the new aluminum chassis manufacturing process. Apart from all the expensive machinery used to manufacture it, there is a great deal of waste material (to recycle).</p>
<p>The camera industry has used investment cast magnesium alloy frames for camera bodies for many years. (Take a look at Nikon&#8217;s D3 or D700 product descriptions for an example&#8230;and Nikon is a pretty conservative company.) Investment (&#8220;lost wax&#8221;) casting is commonly used to manufacture everything from titanium golf clubs to jet engine turbine blades which require great precision and consistency. There is a state-of-the-art centrifugal casting facility in Arizona which produces many such things that has been in business for some years (and would not have required building a new plant).</p>
<p>It makes one wonder why Apple have chosen the clearly more expensive technology which, to my thinking, offers no benefit over a more reasoned manufacturing process. There is simply no benefit to a &#8220;billet&#8221; chassis that I can see.</p>
<p>It also makes one wonder what other mistakes Apple have up their sleeve that will reduce margins.</p>
<p>As a number of analysts have observed, Apple have yet to make an entry into the laptop price segment which contains the majority of laptop sales. The beauty of increasing sales volume which Apple have consistently ignored is that the actual cost of the OS per unit is essentially nothing and the revenues gained from each sale work to reduce the per unit development cost of the OS and various supplied applications, quite apart from getting more product with the company name into the market where it can, potentially, influence other purchase decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: javaholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>javaholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great headline. I was thinking the same thing yesterday after the announcements - so the &quot;big transition that our competitors won’t be able to match&quot; was…?”  Yes, has to be that new swanky fabrication process. I don’t doubt a lot of R&amp;D has gone into it. Unfortunately it’s just not as quite as exciting as speculating on what hot new price points we might see (the $800 MB, especially when things are getting tight financially for many) or a game changing new product in the line up (perhaps the elusive minitower is being moulded right as we speak!)  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/camino.png' title='Camino 1.6.4' style='border:0px;' alt='Camino 1.6.4'/> <a href='http://caminobrowser.org/' title='Camino 1.6.4' rel='nofollow'>Camino 1.6.4</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>Great headline. I was thinking the same thing yesterday after the announcements &#8211; so the &#8220;big transition that our competitors won’t be able to match&#8221; was…?”  Yes, has to be that new swanky fabrication process. I don’t doubt a lot of R&amp;D has gone into it. Unfortunately it’s just not as quite as exciting as speculating on what hot new price points we might see (the $800 MB, especially when things are getting tight financially for many) or a game changing new product in the line up (perhaps the elusive minitower is being moulded right as we speak!)  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its actually quite funny that Microsoft specifically mentioned the Mac Pro in saying that Apples are more expensive.  Its quite hilarious, as you correctly point out, that the Mac Pro is far cheaper than the Dell equivalent, and here is the rub, unlike comparisons involving the Mac Mini or the MacBooks, two products which are radically different than their competition and cannot be fairly price-compared, the Mac Pro is the one Apple model that does directly compete and can be configured EXACTLY the same as Dell&#039;s version.

I also think you are right in the machining process for the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros is the radical change that will lower Apple&#039;s margins.  I went and played with one today, and that thing just has to be expensive to make.

Cheers,

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.20.1' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.20.1'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.20.1' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.20.1</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>Its actually quite funny that Microsoft specifically mentioned the Mac Pro in saying that Apples are more expensive.  Its quite hilarious, as you correctly point out, that the Mac Pro is far cheaper than the Dell equivalent, and here is the rub, unlike comparisons involving the Mac Mini or the MacBooks, two products which are radically different than their competition and cannot be fairly price-compared, the Mac Pro is the one Apple model that does directly compete and can be configured EXACTLY the same as Dell&#8217;s version.</p>
<p>I also think you are right in the machining process for the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros is the radical change that will lower Apple&#8217;s margins.  I went and played with one today, and that thing just has to be expensive to make.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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