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		<title>By: Partners in Grime</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/12/will-apple-be-forced-to-build-cheap-computers/comment-page-1/#comment-13492</link>
		<dc:creator>Partners in Grime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming soon to a Wal-Mart near you....</description>
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		<title>By: MaX</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here it is:

Next Apple moves will be Books and Games…

http://spidouz.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/next-apple-moves-will-be-books-and-games

ROCKING!</description>
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<p>Next Apple moves will be Books and Games…</p>
<p><a href="http://spidouz.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/next-apple-moves-will-be-books-and-games" rel="nofollow">http://spidouz.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/next-apple-moves-will-be-books-and-games</a></p>
<p>ROCKING!</p>
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		<title>By: hmurchison</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/12/will-apple-be-forced-to-build-cheap-computers/comment-page-1/#comment-13446</link>
		<dc:creator>hmurchison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave 

A Network Storage device from Apple is long overdue.   They actually have the same processor that many NAS devices use in the Time Capsule so it&#039;s actually pretty beefy for storage needs.  What they need is a Dobo like box that has 4 drive bays.  That way a single drive could be your Time Machine backup and then you could pool the storage together for the remaining drives and serve media out to other macs, iPhone and Apple TV. 

The Apple TV should have no moving parts.   It should have a SSD based buffer for queing video up and be based on a SoC design.   It should sell for $149 at the base level and have features to Zone a home into sections. 

We&#039;ve got to stop looking at low cost boxes as the end all be all of profit.  My lady and I are thinking about jettisoning Comcast and moving to a Netflix/iTunes/OTA deal where we have DVD/Blu-ray coming through the mail with access to downloadable content via Netflix or iTunes on demand as well as getting local channels in HD off-the-air.  Our monthly expenditure goes from say $40 a month not including Internet access to under $20 yet we still have all the access we need. 

Apple&#039;s poised to make money from iTunes, the appstore and MobileMe but they need a critical mass of computers to enable these software and web services.</description>
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<p>A Network Storage device from Apple is long overdue.   They actually have the same processor that many NAS devices use in the Time Capsule so it&#8217;s actually pretty beefy for storage needs.  What they need is a Dobo like box that has 4 drive bays.  That way a single drive could be your Time Machine backup and then you could pool the storage together for the remaining drives and serve media out to other macs, iPhone and Apple TV. </p>
<p>The Apple TV should have no moving parts.   It should have a SSD based buffer for queing video up and be based on a SoC design.   It should sell for $149 at the base level and have features to Zone a home into sections. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got to stop looking at low cost boxes as the end all be all of profit.  My lady and I are thinking about jettisoning Comcast and moving to a Netflix/iTunes/OTA deal where we have DVD/Blu-ray coming through the mail with access to downloadable content via Netflix or iTunes on demand as well as getting local channels in HD off-the-air.  Our monthly expenditure goes from say $40 a month not including Internet access to under $20 yet we still have all the access we need. </p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s poised to make money from iTunes, the appstore and MobileMe but they need a critical mass of computers to enable these software and web services.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/12/will-apple-be-forced-to-build-cheap-computers/comment-page-1/#comment-13445</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it funny and sad at the same time that Steve Jobs says Apple can&#039;t make a sub-$500 computer that isn&#039;t a piece of junk when the current Mac mini is, at best, a $399 computer. I&#039;m simply amazed that a desktop machine filled with 2006-era notebook technology is a best seller on Amazon.

I have low expectations for Macworld: replacement for the mini, iMacs with nVidia chipsets and LED backlighting, something on the software side.

In the coming months we&#039;ll see special events for the new Core i7 Xeon based Mac Pro and Snow Leopard. Hopefully we&#039;ll also see the introduction of something to combat the netbook, most likely based on the iPod touch architecture. My personal preference is for a Message Pad like form factor: narrow enough for one hand, but tall enough to house a 16:9 ratio screen. Portrait orientation would be great for documents and websites while landscape would be the perfect shape for video.

hmurchison thinks the future of data storage is the cloud, but speed or lack thereof, is the big issue there. I find it excruciatingly slow to upload even a few digital photos using my cable internet connection so most of my 20GB MobileMe storage sits empty.

It continues to surprise me that the leader in digital downloads has no hardware designed to store and serve that content so I think a home server is the next new product category that Apple should tackle. Look at the average home. See all those DVDs sitting on a shelf? What happens when people switch to downloads? Today&#039;s 1TB hard drives would be quickly overwhelmed by even the most modest video collections. Once everything switches to 1080p the storage demands will go through the roof. Some will argue that fiber optic internet and video on demand solves the problem, but there is plenty of evidence out there that most people prefer to &quot;own&quot; their content and not be forever renting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.26.12' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.26.12'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.26.12' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.26.12</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>I find it funny and sad at the same time that Steve Jobs says Apple can&#8217;t make a sub-$500 computer that isn&#8217;t a piece of junk when the current Mac mini is, at best, a $399 computer. I&#8217;m simply amazed that a desktop machine filled with 2006-era notebook technology is a best seller on Amazon.</p>
<p>I have low expectations for Macworld: replacement for the mini, iMacs with nVidia chipsets and LED backlighting, something on the software side.</p>
<p>In the coming months we&#8217;ll see special events for the new Core i7 Xeon based Mac Pro and Snow Leopard. Hopefully we&#8217;ll also see the introduction of something to combat the netbook, most likely based on the iPod touch architecture. My personal preference is for a Message Pad like form factor: narrow enough for one hand, but tall enough to house a 16:9 ratio screen. Portrait orientation would be great for documents and websites while landscape would be the perfect shape for video.</p>
<p>hmurchison thinks the future of data storage is the cloud, but speed or lack thereof, is the big issue there. I find it excruciatingly slow to upload even a few digital photos using my cable internet connection so most of my 20GB MobileMe storage sits empty.</p>
<p>It continues to surprise me that the leader in digital downloads has no hardware designed to store and serve that content so I think a home server is the next new product category that Apple should tackle. Look at the average home. See all those DVDs sitting on a shelf? What happens when people switch to downloads? Today&#8217;s 1TB hard drives would be quickly overwhelmed by even the most modest video collections. Once everything switches to 1080p the storage demands will go through the roof. Some will argue that fiber optic internet and video on demand solves the problem, but there is plenty of evidence out there that most people prefer to &#8220;own&#8221; their content and not be forever renting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/12/will-apple-be-forced-to-build-cheap-computers/comment-page-1/#comment-13443</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a netbook is unlikely for Apple as I think it will take sales away from the iPhone. I do think that an updated MacMini at the same price point (or even $100 bucks less) is very likely. This keeps a semi-low cost Mac within reach of most potential consumers at a price point Apple seems to be comfortable with.

People who shop solely on price usually shop on price during good times as well as bad times. And those people are exactly the people Apple doesn&#039;t really want to go after because then they have to compete directly with other hardware manufactures on cost only.

True, some potential customers my have a harder time justifying the cost for a MacMini now that the economy is tanking. But this is where Apple&#039;s Marketing shines by persuading those people to buy a Mac. But the key here is that they were already &quot;potential customers&quot; who shop on value (versus shopping solely on price).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/camino.png' title='Camino 1.6' style='border:0px;' alt='Camino 1.6'/> <a href='http://caminobrowser.org/' title='Camino 1.6' rel='nofollow'>Camino 1.6</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>I think a netbook is unlikely for Apple as I think it will take sales away from the iPhone. I do think that an updated MacMini at the same price point (or even $100 bucks less) is very likely. This keeps a semi-low cost Mac within reach of most potential consumers at a price point Apple seems to be comfortable with.</p>
<p>People who shop solely on price usually shop on price during good times as well as bad times. And those people are exactly the people Apple doesn&#8217;t really want to go after because then they have to compete directly with other hardware manufactures on cost only.</p>
<p>True, some potential customers my have a harder time justifying the cost for a MacMini now that the economy is tanking. But this is where Apple&#8217;s Marketing shines by persuading those people to buy a Mac. But the key here is that they were already &#8220;potential customers&#8221; who shop on value (versus shopping solely on price).</p>
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		<title>By: Will Apple Be Forced to Build Cheap Computers? &#124; The Mac Night Owl</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/12/will-apple-be-forced-to-build-cheap-computers/comment-page-1/#comment-13441</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Apple Be Forced to Build Cheap Computers? &#124; The Mac Night Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptYou&#8217;ve heard it time and time again. Apple won&#8217;t enter the low-cost PC market because they don&#8217;t want to produce junk. Steve Jobs said that himself as. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hmurchison</title>
		<link>http://www.technightowl.com/2008/12/will-apple-be-forced-to-build-cheap-computers/comment-page-1/#comment-13438</link>
		<dc:creator>hmurchison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the flurry of posts about an Apple Netbook not because I don&#039;t think Apple will make one (I do think they will) but because people don&#039;t seem to grok the real issue that netbooks, and really every net device,  tackles.  This is simply dealing with people&#039;s data.  Netbooks are many things to many people.  Some buy them for the price some buy them because they flat out need something that they can toss in a briefcase and still have room for everything else including the latest Grisham or Koontz novel. 

Netbooks aren&#039;t some consolation for the weary poor.  You &quot;still&quot; need to have an internet connection and at least a few applications.   

Apple&#039;s Netbook will be different.  I really don&#039;t see Apple delivering a micro keyboard.  Netbbook keyboards suck unless you&#039;re 8 years old or a hunt and pecker.  I can see them offering a QWERTY keyboard (hardware) as an option  or included accessory as well as a virtual keyboard.  I can see them offering enough touch features to quiet the iTablet crowd.  Apple has yet to put their Inkwell technology to widespread use. 

Netbooks are inevitable and Apple knows this.   I have little desire to game on a laptop and seeing as how the Macbook only has Ethernet and USB as the primary expansion ports Apple&#039;s own designs support a narrow range of connectivity option a la a netbook.  

In Summary : 

In matters not which hardware you choose because the killer feature for consumers isn&#039;t the form factor for computing devices it&#039;s the data and the relative ease to which that data can be syncronized.   The days where we things were so easily regimented into Desktop and Laptop strata are over.  Today leveraging the internet means that I don&#039;t have to carry around a laptop.   I can easily have 50GB of Dropbox storage hanging off every network device I own ready to keep my data safe and synchronized.  I have MobileMe for keeping ALL Net devices syncronized to my modifications down to the minute. 

Who cares what the form factor is?   An iPhone meets the needs of a certain section of the public and so will a Netbook class device and a full sized laptop.    There&#039;s money to be made selling the hardware and selling the software.  Apple is going to take MobilMe and turn it into a billion dollar web services platform and the easy way to tell this is by looking at the lack of Mac branding.  It&#039;s for everyone. 

Sell more hardware and sell more services and all will be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[ <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/net/safari.png' title='Safari 525.27.1' style='border:0px;' alt='Safari 525.27.1'/> <a href='http://www.apple.com/safari/' title='Safari 525.27.1' rel='nofollow'>Safari 525.27.1</a>  <img src='http://www.technightowl.com/wp-content/plugins/useragent-spy/img/16/os/mac.png' title='Mac OS' style='border:0px;' alt='Mac OS'/> Mac OS <p>I read the flurry of posts about an Apple Netbook not because I don&#8217;t think Apple will make one (I do think they will) but because people don&#8217;t seem to grok the real issue that netbooks, and really every net device,  tackles.  This is simply dealing with people&#8217;s data.  Netbooks are many things to many people.  Some buy them for the price some buy them because they flat out need something that they can toss in a briefcase and still have room for everything else including the latest Grisham or Koontz novel. </p>
<p>Netbooks aren&#8217;t some consolation for the weary poor.  You &#8220;still&#8221; need to have an internet connection and at least a few applications.   </p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s Netbook will be different.  I really don&#8217;t see Apple delivering a micro keyboard.  Netbbook keyboards suck unless you&#8217;re 8 years old or a hunt and pecker.  I can see them offering a QWERTY keyboard (hardware) as an option  or included accessory as well as a virtual keyboard.  I can see them offering enough touch features to quiet the iTablet crowd.  Apple has yet to put their Inkwell technology to widespread use. </p>
<p>Netbooks are inevitable and Apple knows this.   I have little desire to game on a laptop and seeing as how the Macbook only has Ethernet and USB as the primary expansion ports Apple&#8217;s own designs support a narrow range of connectivity option a la a netbook.  </p>
<p>In Summary : </p>
<p>In matters not which hardware you choose because the killer feature for consumers isn&#8217;t the form factor for computing devices it&#8217;s the data and the relative ease to which that data can be syncronized.   The days where we things were so easily regimented into Desktop and Laptop strata are over.  Today leveraging the internet means that I don&#8217;t have to carry around a laptop.   I can easily have 50GB of Dropbox storage hanging off every network device I own ready to keep my data safe and synchronized.  I have MobileMe for keeping ALL Net devices syncronized to my modifications down to the minute. </p>
<p>Who cares what the form factor is?   An iPhone meets the needs of a certain section of the public and so will a Netbook class device and a full sized laptop.    There&#8217;s money to be made selling the hardware and selling the software.  Apple is going to take MobilMe and turn it into a billion dollar web services platform and the easy way to tell this is by looking at the lack of Mac branding.  It&#8217;s for everyone. </p>
<p>Sell more hardware and sell more services and all will be fine.</p>
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